Phil is a businessman, spiritual teacher, author, and podcaster. What interested me about this conversation was how difficult it became to separate where business ended and spirituality began. We live in a culture that often treats those things as opposites. One focused on money, success, ambition and growth. The other focused on meaning, presence and consciousness. Phil has spent decades moving between both worlds and what emerged was a conversation about human nature more than anything else.
We spoke about success, leadership, meditation, community, relationships and the strange tendency human beings have to hand responsibility for their lives to somebody else. A therapist. A spiritual teacher. A politician. A religion. A podcast host. Somebody who can tell us what to think, what to do and how to live. Underneath all of that seemed to sit the same question. Why is uncertainty so uncomfortable for us that we would rather surrender our own authority than face it?
One of the most interesting parts of the conversation was around certainty. Phil shared stories from years of working with successful business owners and entrepreneurs and how easy it can be for somebody to become highly competent in one area of life and slowly begin believing they are competent in every area of life. Not just business but relationships, health, spirituality and human behaviour itself. It made me think about how often growth stops the moment we become convinced we have arrived.
The conversation also moved into spirituality and the people who occupy those spaces. What happens when somebody starts with genuine wisdom and genuine intentions but slowly becomes trapped by power, status or admiration? How does somebody go from helping people to believing they are above them? How does curiosity become certainty? How does a teacher stop being a student?
What I enjoyed most about Phil was his willingness to stay inside the questions rather than rush toward answers. He spoke from observation rather than authority and from experience rather than performance. By the end of the conversation it felt less like we had been discussing business or spirituality and more like we had been exploring the same thing from different angles. The human tendency to search outside ourselves for something that ultimately has to be found within ourselves.
The statement Phil leaves for the next guest is this: A little bit of light can erase a lot of darkness.
It’s You. Oh Fuck. It’s ME. In Session with a Psychotherapist Hosted by Chad Taylor. Author of It’s You. Oh Fuck. It’s ME
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Phillip can be found at: https://holisticcircle.org/
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