In this conversation with Tiokasin Ghosthorse, we explore a profoundly different way of understanding our relationship with Earth, life and the future.Drawing on his Lakota heritage, Tiokasin challenges some of the deepest assumptions of Western civilization: our need to control, our belief in progress, our separation from nature, and even our understanding of consciousness and agency.We speak about intuition as a way of knowing, the wisdom carried in Indigenous languages, the difference between living on Earth and living with Earth, and why we may need to recover something essential that modern civilization has largely forgotten.One of the most interesting tensions in our conversation is the question of agency. If we accept the mystery of life and learn to listen more deeply, what does that mean for our responsibility to participate in creating the future?Tiokasin offers a perspective that challenges the very premise of the Third Attractor: perhaps what we are looking for is already present, waiting for us to become aware of it.A thought-provoking conversation about Indigenous wisdom, consciousness, intuition, relationship and our place within the living Earth.Tiokasin Ghosthorse, of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation, is the founder and host of the syndicated program First Voices Radio, which he has run for 29 years. He is a musician, an advocate for Indigenous rights, and was New York City's 2013 Peacemaker of the Year. His work brings Indigenous knowledge to questions of education, climate change, and dialogue across cultures.https://firstvoicesindigenousradio.org/Daniela Bomatter is a Swiss-born evolutionary practitioner, facilitator, and former technology executive whose life bridges the worlds of systems transformation, spiritual awakening, and human development. After a successful career in software engineering and leadership, including serving as CEO of SwissEnergy at the Swiss Federal Office of Energy, she left public life in 2016 to dedicate herself fully to the path of spiritual realization and conscious evolution. For seventeen years, she studied and worked closely with spiritual teacher Andrew Cohen, becoming a senior practitioner and teacher of Evolutionary Enlightenment.Daniela is the co-founder of Manifest Nirvana (https://www.manifest-nirvana.com) and lives in Tiruvannamalai, South India, where she leads retreats, online programs, and global dialogues exploring the intersection of awakening, culture, and collective transformation. She is the creator of the “Co-Creating the Third Attractor” Podcast (https://3da.manifest-nirvana.com ) , a integral inquiry into the future of human civilization, and the author of The Viratya Myth Begins (https://www.viratya.com). Through her writing, teaching, and conversations, Daniela invites people to discover a way of being that embraces both timeless presence and evolutionary becoming, holding the paradoxes of our age with depth, responsibility, and wonder.
