The series up until now has focused on individuals who have experienced spiritual trauma, but that has left some questions unanswered: what about those who perpetuate or are complicit in spiritual trauma? What about those of us who may not even know that has been the case? What about systemic spiritual trauma that is part of the fabric of our cultures? In this concluding episode, we address the other side of spiritual trauma and hear from Mark Charles about the legacy of the doctrine of discovery.

Content note: this episode references residential schools.

Correction: This episode references a shooting at a protest and the perpetrator's name in the audio is incorrect. The perpetrator was Kyle Rittenhouse, not Dylann Roof.


Written and recorded by: Hillary McBride

Guests: William Matthews III, Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza, and K.J. Ramsey

Executive producer: Leslie Roberts

Sound editing: Bradley Danyluk and Micaela Peragallo

Music and scoring: Jon Guerra, adapted from the album Ordinary Ways, strings performed by Valerie Guerra

Logo and art: Courtney Searcy

Podden och tillhörande omslagsbild på den här sidan tillhör Holy/Hurt Podcast. Innehållet i podden är skapat av Holy/Hurt Podcast och inte av, eller tillsammans med, Poddtoppen.