Although for many people it was the ideal, there is an individual and systemic cost to feeling the responsibility to save the world. Although it helps for a time, and may even be praised for being spiritually mature, being disconnected from normal human emotions has an impact on an individual. In this episode, we look at spiritual trauma through the lens of systems: both inside of us, and around us. This will help us begin to understand how the roles we played, and the defenses we used, disconnected us from the full experience of being human, and help us imagine another way forward where we can step more fully into who we were before who we were ever told we had to be. This episode features interviews with Mihee Kim Kort and Dr. Laura Anderson.

Content Note: this episode contains reference to sexual abuse.

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Written and recorded by: Hillary McBride

Guest: Mihee Kim Kort, Dr. Laura Anderson

Executive producer: Leslie Roberts

Sound editing: Bradley Danyluk and Micaela Peragallo

Music and scoring: Jon Guerra, adapted from the album Ordinary Ways, strings performed by Valerie Guerra

Logo and art: Courtney Searcy

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