Most of us say we want peace. Then the second we actually touch it, some part of us starts looking for a problem.
Brea Segger and I talk about why real transformation doesn’t always need a breakdown, a breakthrough, or a giant emotional release. We get into the exhaustion that comes from trying to be someone you’re not, why loneliness can exist even when you’re surrounded by people, and what happens when you stop looking outside yourself for somebody to fix you.
We also talk about alcohol and distraction, our relationship with nature, the differences Brea sees in how men and women process change, and why twenty minutes of doing absolutely nothing might tell you more about yourself than another year of searching for answers.
Brea and I are leading Deep Waters together in Nosara, Costa Rica this November.
Learn more:
https://www.traverboehm.com/deepwaters
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👉 Men, come train with us in The UNcivilized Nation:
https://www.manuncivilized.com/thenation
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Connect with Brea:
Website: https://www.breasegger.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/breasegger/
Connect with Traver:
Website: https://www.manuncivilized.com
Substack: https://traverboehm.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/traverboehm/
Get my books: https://www.manuncivilized.com/books
Chapters
00:00 Who Is Brea Segger?
03:29 Brea’s Childhood and Feeling Like Something Was Wrong
06:48 When the Outside World Doesn’t Match What You Feel Inside
10:41 Why Brea Doesn’t Call Herself a Mystic
14:14 Alcohol as Distraction and Avoidance
20:55 Why Being Okay Can Feel Unsafe
26:15 Does Transformation Need a Big Breakthrough?
29:18 What Actually Happens When Brea Works With Someone
33:05 Why We’re So Exhausted
36:23 Why So Many People Feel Lonely
39:31 What Does “Soul” Mean?
41:34 How Men and Women Process Change Differently
44:17 Stop Looking Outside Yourself for Answers
45:57 Can You Do Nothing for 20 Minutes?
48:20 What Five Days Alone Taught Traver
50:56 Deep Waters and Closing
