Misha Saul joins Claire Lehmann to discuss his viral essay Australia Is Sick and why he believes Australia has squandered many of the advantages that made it one of the world’s most prosperous countries.

They discuss immigration, productivity, net zero, the NDIS, employment law, regulatory overreach, and the political incentives that make reform difficult. Saul argues that Australia needs to regain greater agency over its borders and economy—and explains why he remains optimistic about the potential of AI.

CHAPTERS

00:00 - Australia’s lost potential01:20 - From Ambitious Australia to Australia Is Sick02:13 - The tax proposals that triggered the essay03:29 - How countries decline slowly05:08 - Why reform is so difficult06:04 - Net zero and Australia’s energy policy07:01 - Universities and immigration08:29 - Australia needs control over immigration12:00 - The economic arguments Saul rejects14:07 - Should Australia import labour?16:01 - Cheap labour and productivity18:56 - Business interests and the Liberal Party20:51 - Why bad policies are hard to reverse22:19 - Is Australia becoming like the UK?24:11 - What makes the US different?26:06 - What Australia still gets right29:56 - One Nation and voter anger31:48 - Can the major parties respond?33:15 - Immigration and Australian federation35:11 - Saul’s Australian identity37:50 - The Brexit comparison39:04 - Rethinking skilled migration40:43 - What Australia could do differently42:03 - Reforming employment law43:17 - AI and reasons for optimism44:22 - Where to find Misha Saul

Misha Saul — Australia Is Sickhttps://www.kvetch.au/p/australia-is-sick

Misha Saul — Ambitious Australiahttps://www.kvetch.au/p/ambitious-australia

Misha Saul on Xhttps://x.com/misha_saul

Kvetchhttps://www.kvetch.au/

Quillettehttps://quillette.com/

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