This summer, millions are meeting Homer's Odyssey through Christopher Nolan's retelling. Phil Cousineau has been living inside the real story for forty years. In this conversation, he separates the myth from the movie: what Nolan's film gets right, what it leaves out, and why a 2,800-year-old poem about the long way home might be the sharpest leadership text we have.

Phil Cousineau worked with Joseph Campbell on The Hero's Journey, has consulted with Hollywood studios including Warner Bros., Pixar, and Lucasfilm on mythology, and has led pilgrimages to Homer's Greece for three decades. His new book, The Wisdom of the Odyssey, arrives in the same season as Nolan's big-screen version. In this conversation, he makes the case that real leadership isn't about willpower or hierarchy. It's about the wound you carry, and what you do with it.

Phil unpacks why every leader is "scarred, and we know them by their scar," why Odysseus doesn't get home through willpower but through six women, and why the true story here belongs to Penelope as much as her husband.

A conversation about trauma, love, memory, and the long road back to yourself.
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