Nad Chishtie is the Head of Design at Lovable — the company at the center of the AI coding explosion. He nearly got fired before his first day for emailing his CEO a thesis on why Lovable should be a web browser.
Now he's redesigning what design teams look like when everyone in the company can build software.
We talked about why half of Lovable's design system is now written for agents instead of people, what happened when they went full "agent maxing" for two weeks (and why background agents failed), and there's this moment where he explains who actually ends up owning vibe coding when it lands inside a big company — and it's not who you'd expect.
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CHAPTERS: 0:00 — Almost fired before day one 1:20 — Falling into design by accident 2:39 — The call that changed his career 4:45 — Why generalists felt broken in traditional orgs 5:08 — The "gumption" trait for AI-native work 6:54 — Housekeeping vs cannibalizing yourself 8:23 — End-to-end ownership when everyone can build 10:54 — Spiking fast and killing darlings faster 13:06 — People who couldn't prototype before now can 15:05 — How Lovable's org actually works 19:44 — When enterprise came knocking 22:45 — Hackathons and making room for throwaway work 25:15 — The email that almost got him fired (full story) 28:09 — Apple blocking mobile vibe coding apps 30:27 — Half our design system is written for agents 31:34 — Agent maxing: background agents failed, linters won 33:53 — Eating their own SaaS stack 37:15 — Who actually owns vibe coding in the enterprise 42:43 — What Lovable looks for when hiring designers 43:28 — Why every designer should be a founder right now 46:54 — Territory Studio uses Lovable for sci-fi UIs 48:16 — Thesis: everything will be interoperable
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