What counts as cheating if nothing physical ever happened?
In this episode, Hali sits down with Certified Partner Coach, Jill Pool to name what so often goes unnamed: the betrayal that leaves no physical evidence but reshapes a person's entire sense of safety.
This conversation holds both partners with care and offers language for a kind of pain that's too often minimized.
About the guest:
Jill Pool is an APSATS Certified Partner Coach who helps individuals navigate the complexities of betrayal recovery. As the co-owner of Hope in the Havoc (with her husband, Alonso) and a contracted coach for Hope Redefined, Jill specializes in supporting those facing unique life challenges, such as special needs parenting, homeschooling, and child loss. As a Christian, she also offers clients the opportunity to incorporate their faith into the healing journey. She develops resources that utilize straightforward language, enabling betrayed partners to express themselves more effectively. As a homeschooling mom of 12, she knows firsthand how to balance demanding family dynamics with personal healing.
Connect with Jill:
Website: hopeinthehavoc.com
Emotional Betrayal DNA resources: hopeinthehavoc.com/resources
Instagram: @hopeinthehavoc
Facebook: /hopeinthehavoc
Email: info@hopeinthehavoc.com
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Connect With Me + Continue Your Healing
If today’s episode resonated with you, you don’t have to walk the healing journey after betrayal alone. Here are a few ways to stay connected and continue your healing:
Women: Attend my FREE live weekly Workshop: Boundaries That Build Safety
MEN: Join the Help Her Heal weekly support group
Download my free guide: The Six Ways Betrayal Hides in Your Body
Learn more about Reclaiming You: Healing after betrayal starts with reclaiming yourself. Reclaiming You is a high touch, trauma-informed group experience designed to help you restore nervous system safety, rebuild self-trust, and come home to who you are.
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Join me at a Retreat or Intensive
If you’re craving deeper, in-person support and embodied healing, I’m helping facilitate upcoming experiences created specifically for betrayed partners.
The Awakening The Man Within men’s Somatic Intensive is a powerful, immersive experience designed for men. This takes place November 8-11th.
Rise, Renew, Restore Retreat in Bali, Indonesia is an intimate, trauma-informed women’s healing retreat designed. Join us April 18–25, 2027, in Bali.
If you are a navigating parenting in the aftermath of betrayal, find insightful information and tips on how to talk to your kids in my self-paced course called Intentional Parenting After Betrayal. I created this course alongside my daughter, Morgan Ellsworth, LMAFT, CCPS.
Free Resources & Downloads
Access free tools, guided practices, and educational resources designed to support nervous system regulation, self-trust, boundaries, and clarity after betrayal.
👉A Mini Guide to Mindful Healing After Betrayal
👉Your First Steps to Rising After Betrayal
Listen to My Other Podcast
If you are a betrayed partner, I also host a second podcast called Rooted & Rising Healing After Betrayal, created specifically for women healing from betrayal trauma.
This show offers grounded, trauma-informed conversations, solo reflections, and tools to help you reconnect with yourself, reclaim your voice, and rise with clarity and strength.
👉 Rooted and Rising Healing After Betrayal
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