In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the second part of a conversation led by Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels, who are part of The Brain Group – a collaboration consisting of Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel. Jack talks about the Enneagram Prison Project with researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek (EPP founder), and program ambassadors Alex Senegal and Thomas Papa. This research and development project uses the Enneagram to inspire transformation. As they explore the project’s real results, they ask how they can measure the experience and how do they develop a protocol? Alex and Thomas share how the Enneagram changed their self-awareness and choices after their release.

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Laura Baker:

Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphd

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788

Enneagram Prison Project:

Web: enneagramprisonproject.org

Jack Killen:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b

Dan Siegel:

Web: drdansiegel.com

Web: mindsightinstitute.com

Facebook: Dr. Dan Siegel

Denise Daniels:

Web: drdaviddaniels.com

David Daniels:

Web: drdaviddaniels.com

Book: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack Killen

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

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