In this episode, Pastor Lyle sits down with Pastor Jon Rush — pastor, communicator, and social media savant — for a wide-ranging conversation about leadership, culture, and the hard things pastors are often too afraid to say out loud.
This is not a comfortable conversation — but it is a necessary one. From youth ministry to confrontation, from loving people across the aisle to shepherding a congregation through a culture that rewards silence and punishes honesty, Jon brings pastoral wisdom that is equal parts practical and prophetic.
Together, they explore questions every leader needs to sit with:
• Can you really have intimacy without confrontation?
• What does it look like to love people you fundamentally disagree with?
• Why are pastors so afraid to confront the people they lead?
• What is the difference between cowardice and wisdom when it comes to hard conversations?
• What does Jesus confronting Peter have to say to leaders today?
This episode is honest, pastoral, and at times prophetic. Our hope is that it gives every leader the courage to stop avoiding the conversations that matter most — and the wisdom to know how to have them.
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