In this episode, Pastor Lyle sits down with Dr. Chris Palmer — theologian, author, and Dean of Southeastern University — for one of the most intellectually rich and spiritually grounding conversations the podcast has had yet.


This is not a surface-level conversation about church culture or Christian trends — but about the deep things. The Incarnation. Joy as an apologetic. What Scripture actually is and how to handle it well. And one of the most striking ideas in the episode: that to follow Jesus is to become more fully human.


Together, they explore questions worth sitting with:

  • Why is joy the single greatest argument for Christianity
  • What does it mean that God became flesh — and why does it still matter
  • What is the Bible, really, and how should we approach it
  • What makes someone Pentecostal
  • Is the whole church Pentecostal?
  • Is following Jesus the path to becoming more human, not less?


This episode is theological, philosophical, and surprisingly personal. Our hope is that it deepens your faith, sharpens your thinking, and reminds you why the story of God becoming man is still the most important story ever told.

📖 Grab Dr. Chris Palmer's new book, A World Without God, here: https://a.co/d/0afOhdAK


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