On this episode of the Change It Podcast, Eloise, founder of Change It Talent, the leading change recruitment agency, sits down with Tamsin Jones, a systems change and leadership consultant who has spent 25 years in the rooms where big change actually happens, government strategy sessions, boardrooms, leadership programs and funded convenings across Australia, the UK and Africa.
Tamsin runs the Master of Business and Empathy and co-founded a gender lens investing network with Australians Investing in Women, and she's spent the last four years helping leaders navigate what she calls the next economy.
There's a word CEOs and boards use quietly, if they use it at all: emergence. Tamsin says it might be the most underrated leadership skill of this moment, and in this conversation she explains why.
In this episode we cover:
What emergence actually is, and why the C-suite is talking about it without naming it out loud
Why command and control leadership is an illusion, and what that means once AI enters the picture
Why "not knowing" can be a leadership strength rather than a weakness
Why grief is part of navigating change, and what happens when leaders skip it
How empathy is showing up in boardrooms, government strategy and AI adoption
What Tamsin learned from Taiwan's former digital minister Audrey Tang about trust and participation
If you're a leader feeling some cognitive dissonance about where things are headed, this conversation will feel like a very honest debrief.
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