Katarina Berg, Chief People Officer at On, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about her journey from Spotify to On, why performance growth is more powerful than performance management, and how people, leadership, curiosity, learning, and AI will shape the next era of work.
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(08:15) Succession Planning and Practicing What You Preach
(10:15) Working With Daniel Ek and Stretching Her Thinking
(11:00) Pressure Testing HR Truths at Spotify
(11:45) When People Grow, the Company Grows
(13:05) Finding a Culture You Can Feel When You Step In
(13:35) On’s Entrepreneurial Spirit and Swiss Engineering Mindset
(18:30) Performance Development Versus Performance Management
(19:15) The Four Ps: People, Product, Planet and Profitability
(20:45) How Performance Management Can Demotivate People
(21:15) Autonomy, Competence, Purpose and Benevolence
(22:10) Why Performance Growth Works Better Than Performance Management
(23:00) Proud People Perform
(23:40) Giving People a Clear North Star and a Mental Paddock
(24:30) Why Growth Is a Business Strategy, Not an HR Program
(25:10) Why Downsizing L&D Misses the Point
(28:00) Upskilling, Cross-Skilling and Off-Skilling
(29:15) Why Learning Is an Investment, Not a Cost
(29:45) The Human Skills Technology Cannot Replace
(32:20) The Importance of Leadership in a Paradigm Shift
(34:00) Mercenaries, Missionaries and Why Both Systems Can Work
(39:15) Why HR Needs Business Acumen, Not Just HR Acumen
(41:15) The People Team Hackathon and Building Agents
(43:10) Focusing on Learnings Instead of Blame
(50:15) Applying New Technology to Old Ways of Working
(51:15) Why AI Will Change Everything, But Not Overnight
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Past guests on MPL include Brené Brown, Annie Dean (VP of Team Anywhere, Atlassian), Josh Bersin, Katie Burke (Chief People Officer, Harvey), Liz Fosslien, Helen Russell (Chief People Officer, HubSpot), Dave Scott (Chief People Officer, ADT), Melanie Rossenwasser (Chief People Officer, Dropbox), Crystal Boysen (Chief People Officer, Sprout Social), and many more.
