Kathleen Munroe joins The Wayne Ayers Podcast to talk about Season 4 of Law & Order Toronto: Criminal Intent, a season that opened with a goodbye before it ever said hello. With Henry Graff gone and Det. Sgt. John Darcy now at Frankie Bateman’s side, Kathleen talks about building a new rhythm with a new partner. She also gets into how Darcy’s street-cop instincts clash with Frankie’s profiling, and how long it might take Frankie to trust someone again.

We go case by case through the new season. There’s the killer who mails body parts and hides behind legal loopholes. There’s “The Business of Boys,” which pulls Frankie and Darcy into high school gender politics and the manosphere. And there’s the decades-old murder of a Canadian soldier in Afghanistan. Kathleen also talks about going toe-to-toe with David Cronenberg as Dr. Levi Bateman and about showing the messy side of being a single mom on TV. She explains the psychology behind Frankie’s interrogation-room tactics, too.

Plus: her dream Law & Order crossover, how Frankie would take on William Lewis, Toronto as a character in its own right, real Canadian true crime, a behind-the-scenes lightning round, and the legacy she hopes Frankie leaves among TV's great detectives.

New episodes of Law & Order Toronto: Criminal Intent air Thursdays on Citytv and stream on Citytv+. U.S. viewers can catch Season 2 on The CW.

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