"Healing becomes an endless process, because there's always the next thing to heal, so you can avoid actually taking action and building something."

— Jordan Bates

Jordan Bates is a men's work practitioner, coach, retreat leader, long-time co-creator of HighExistence and Apotheosis OG.

Jordan joins me to talk about the shift from participant to practitioner. He has walked that path himself and helped many others do the same, so he knows the pitfalls and how to move through them.


In this episode, we cover:

  • How Jordan went from retreat participant to facilitator.
  • Why men's work can go deeper than therapy.
  • How healing can become a form of resistance.
  • The first steps to offering your work and getting paid for it.
  • How to act through fear instead of waiting for it to pass.
  • Why building from wholeness beats building from need.


Follow Jordan:

Council of Kings: councilofkings.co 

Jordan's newsletter: jordanbates.substack.com 

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