Here's part 2 of this week's office hours. 

Part 2 begins with Deborah explaining that Pastor Amos's recent teaching sent her into her own study. She still isn't persuaded that Jesus suffered in hell, because she finds no Scripture saying God's wrath continued after the cross. She also hears "It is finished" as the beginning of salvation, sanctification and glorification, and she asks what the purpose of that suffering would be. Pastor Amos explains that most of the church has held the traditional view that Jesus did not suffer in hell, while he grew up in Word of Faith teaching that he did. He says Scripture gives no details of what happened between Friday and Sunday, so every position involves inference. His case is substitution: Jesus took the sinner's place, and the full penalty for sin includes spiritual death, which he sees in Jesus' cry of abandonment on the cross and in the statement that God made him sin for us.

Deborah answers that Jesus bore our sins but did not become sin, because that would compromise his holiness and sovereignty. She also thinks the abandonment happened on earth and that Scripture says God would not abandon his soul in Hades. Pastor Amos suggests that promise means God would not leave him there, and he assigns her homework: ask what about the idea troubles her, and what "becoming sin" says about Jesus being God. He notes that some people call God a child abuser for punishing his Son, which keeps them from receiving Jesus. 

Sonja asks what difference any of this makes in daily life. Pastor Amos says the practical gain is gratitude from grasping the full weight of what Jesus bore, and that the idea can stir a defensive reaction, like hearing someone insult your mother. Bose adds that remembering what Christ endured makes any sacrifice we're asked to make feel small. Hope says Jesus became sin because he had a job to do, and that he suffered and defeated death, hell and the grave so he could understand and help us.

Pastor Amos closes by saying that human minds are limited and that two things can be true at once, as when God turned from Adam yet clothed him. He says the goal of every Bible study is for each person to study it for themselves until they can say "that's right," not merely repeat what a pastor said. He values the wrestling and compares it to the early church's council over circumcision. Deborah ends with a closing prayer.

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