Robert Derow is a Managing Director and Partner at BCG, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world, where he leads their Digital Growth and Agentic Commerce practice. He has been doing data driven full stack marketing for 25 years, has worked with Fortune 100 and Fortune 500 companies on digital transformation, and is one of the few people in the world who can tell you with authority what the largest brands on earth are actually doing about AI right now. Ashwin is the co-founder of Nile, an agentic e-commerce infrastructure company helping brands treat every AI chat as a sales channel. Between the two of them, this is one of the most data heavy conversations we’ve had on the pod.
We also get into why trust is the final frontier of commerce and why Amazon solved speed and convenience but is quietly losing the trust war, why TikTok Shop is still in the early innings with the US at fifteen to twenty billion in GMV versus over four hundred billion in Asia, and an AI platform tier list for commerce impact that ranks OpenAI, Anthropic, Perplexity, Grok, and Gemini from S tier to C tier with real reasoning behind every pick.
Key Takeaways:
GEO Is the New SEO and Your Competitors Are Already Doing It: Every Fortune 1000 company Rob works with now has some form of generative engine optimization running. If your brand is not showing up in AI-generated answers, you’re already behind.
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Chapters: 00:00 - Will AI Chatbots Handle Most DTC Orders In Ten Years? 03:14 - Why Fulfillment Is About To Become Part Of Your Brand 07:32 - How Fortune 1000 Companies Are Approaching GEO Right Now 09:18 - Reddit Citations Dropped 85 Percent On ChatGPT In August 11:45 - The 90-Day Plan To Make Your Brand AI Discoverable 13:00 - The Internet Boom Gave Access — AI Gives Intelligence 15:33 - Your Store Is Now Open To Both Humans And Agents 19:30 - AI And Jobs: Net Neutral Or Mass Unemployment? 21:22 - ChatGPT Ads: Why Is Nobody Seeing Results? 23:30 - Which Ad Platforms Can Actually Compete With Meta? 25:09 - Trust Is The Final Frontier Of Commerce 29:54 - TikTok Shop Is Still Early And Here Is The Data 33:14 - What Is Nile And How Agentic E-Commerce Works 35:05 - The Full AI E-Commerce Tech Stack You Need Right Now 41:41 - AI Platform Tier List: OpenAI Anthropic Perplexity Grok Gemini 43:19 - Will Entry-Level Jobs In Professional Services Disappear? 45:16 - Game6: Predictive LTV At The Keyword Level
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