What can schools learn from the ways people learn outside of school?

In this episode of The Science of Learning, Keith Sawyer talks with developmental psychologist and learning scientist Barbara Rogoff about the sociocultural approach to learning and development—one of the most influential perspectives in the learning sciences.

Rogoff's research emphasizes that learning is fundamentally social and cultural. Children learn not only through formal instruction, but through participation in families, communities, workplaces, and everyday activities. The conversation explores how learning happens through collaboration, observation, apprenticeship, and guided participation.

The discussion explores:

  • Why learning is fundamentally social
  • How children learn through participation in communities
  • Culture and human development
  • Guided participation and apprenticeship
  • What schools can learn from families and communities
  • Why many forms of learning are invisible in traditional schooling
  • Sociocultural approaches to education

Barbara Rogoff is Distinguished Professor of Psychology at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and one of the foundational scholars in sociocultural theories of learning and development.

YouTube video interview: https://youtu.be/NgTDfliTcVY

Music by license from SoundStripe:

  • "Uptown Lovers Instrumental" by AFTERNOONZ
  • "Miss Missy" by AFTERNOONZ
  • "What's the Big Deal" by Ryan Saranich

Produced and hosted by Keith Sawyer

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