In this episode, Caroline Fowler is joined by former Clark/Oakley Humanities Fellow Darius Bost to unpack the enduring impact of Hortense Spillers’s 1987 landmark essay “Mama’s Baby, Papa’s Maybe.” The conversation situates the essay within its historical context, including its critique of the Moynihan Report and its intervention in Black feminist and Black Studies discourse. They also reflect on why the essay continues to be widely cited—yet sometimes insufficiently understood—within art history and beyond. The episode considers how Spillers’s ideas open up possibilities for reimagining visual culture, embodiment, and Black queer futures today.