Caro Fowler speaks with Joost Keizer about the consequential environmental histories embedded within seventeenth-century Dutch landscape painting. Moving beyond celebratory narratives of realism and national identity, the conversation explores how war, deforestation, land reclamation, and colonial expansion reshaped both the Dutch environment and artistic representations of nature. Together, Fowler and Keizer consider whether landscape painting emerged not simply from an admiration of nature, but from experiences of ecological loss, environmental control, and human concepts of making. 

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