Most organisations have the data. Most have set the targets. The harder, more uncomfortable question is why so few are actually changing their behaviour.

Gunther Rothermel is one of the most credible voices at the intersection of enterprise technology and climate action.


With over two decades at SAP building sustainability products used by some of the world’s largest companies, he has developed a rare and unsentimental clarity about where progress actually comes from. It does not come from better dashboards or sharper ESG reports. It comes from leaders who are willing to treat sustainability as the strategic core of how they run their business, not a compliance obligation bolted on at the end.


In this episode, Tobi Aigbogun and Labake Ajiboye-Richard press Gunther on the questions that rarely get asked in polished conference settings: Who specifically is failing to act and why? What does a genuine C-suite mindset shift look like, and how do you tell it apart from performance? Where is AI in sustainability creating real leverage, and where is it just expensive noise? And for the sustainability leader who has been pushing hard without getting traction, what is the single most important move to make right now?


Our co-host Labake Ajiboye-Richard is also the Editor of the Africa Sustainability Magazine by The AR Initiative. Read the latest volume: https://www.arinitiative.org/magazines/africa-sustainability-magazine-volume-vi

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