17. Ancestral Healing, Reclaiming Identity, and Stepping Into Our Own Unique Magic with Marcella Kroll

In this episode I chat with author, deck creator, and spiritual teacher Marcella Kroll.

We talk about demons, which Marcella refers to as "divine infernals," and some mischaracterizations or misunderstandings many may have about these beings, and why they are important. We also discuss beings who are on the 'darker' side of things, such as Lucifer and Santisima Muerte.

We also discuss what it's been like to age and mature as creators who have been 'people on the internet' for more than a decade, and how what we share, create, and put our attention toward has changed. We also discuss addiction, recovery, sobriety, and how magic can sometimes impede recovery/healing and be used as escapism.

Identity, reclaiming our ancestral background(s), and working with spiritual entities outside of our background (and within it!) is also something we get into, as well as the weirdness of identity policing and the rise of entitlement and parasocial relationships in the spiritual community on the internet.

An important and interesting multifaceted episode you won't want to miss!


On The Heal and Harm Show on YouTube, I dive into deep discussions with spiritual, witchy, occult, wellness, and self-help oriented guests to talk about what happens when we try to heal ourselves and improve our lives. So often in the spiritual space, people seeking healing and community end up in cults, abused, or more messed up than they were at the start of their journey. Named after the phrase, "a witch who can't heal can't harm" (and vice versa), this show explores the light and dark sides of spirituality, magic, witchcraft, healing, and more. The Heal and Harm Show is hosted by Sabrina Scott (https://sabrinamscott.com), a witch, life coach, and professional tarot reader with 5 books and 4 journals out!