In this episode, we sit down with artist and photographer Asher Imtiaz to explore what it means to truly see others through practices of attention, presence, and connection. Drawing from Asher’s experience as a Christian minority from Pakistan and his long-term work with refugees and asylum seekers, we reflect on seeing as an act of love that requires time, vulnerability, and a willingness to be changed. We discuss how seeing becomes communion rather than performance, pushing back against a culture of urgency and project-driven ministry. Together, we consider how pastors and ministry leaders cultivate sustained, incarnational attention as a way of loving people and making space for God’s work.


Asher Imtiaz’s personal website:  www.asherimtiaz.com 

Asher’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asherimtiaz/ 

We mentioned the following resources:

Henri Nouwen, In the Name of Jesus

David Brooks, How to Know a Person


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