What does it take to carry both excellence AND the Holy Spirit — without losing your heart in the process?
In this powerful episode of the Both& Podcast, Pastor Benny sits down with Pastor Travis Greene for one of the most honest leadership conversations we’ve had yet.
They dive into the tension between structure and Spirit… but the conversation goes deeper than expected, straight into betrayal, bitterness, submission, accountability, and finishing well in ministry.
This isn’t surface-level leadership talk. This is heart surgery.
“Your heart is a house. Bitterness gives someone a room — and locks you out.”
If you are a pastor, worship leader, creative, entrepreneur, or believer navigating leadership pressure, church hurt, correction, or betrayal — this conversation will challenge and strengthen you.
Ministry flows from the heart.
Creativity flows from the heart.
Longevity flows from the heart.
Guard it.
About Pastor Travis Greene:
Travis is a Grammy-nominated gospel recording artist, pastor, husband, and father. He and his wife, Dr. Jackie Greene (author, dentist, and mentor), co-pastor Forward City Church in Columbia, South Carolina. Through music and ministry, Travis is passionate about unifying the Body of Christ and exposing people to the transformative love of Jesus. When he’s not traveling or leading, he’s spending time with his wife and their three boys, Jace, Josh, and Judah.
