Lorain Moorehead, LCSW, PMH-C, EMDR Certified Consultant & Clinical Supervisor, sits down with Dr. Laurie Bruce, clinical psychologist (25+ years), mindfulness coach, host of "From Both Sides of the Couch," in a cross-show conversation recorded for both podcasts.
They unpack the gap between CEUs and real clinical consultation, what happens when a client triggers something personal in session, and the barriers that keep therapists from finding their own therapist. If you found our episode on EMDR consultation requirements useful, this conversation goes further into the blurry territory between supervision, consultation, and personal therapy.
Timestamps:
0:00 — The problem with supervision ending at licensure
1:14 — How other countries require ongoing consultation and the US doesn't
2:16 — Why CEUs should partially be replaced with consultation hours
3:16 — Learning a new modality means starting over, and why that demands supervision
11:04 — Lorain's experience with EMDR consultation requirements
12:47 — Dr. Bruce on DBT consultation teams, RO-DBT, and DART training
17:26 — The deep self-exploration required in IFS training
18:29 — The blurry line between therapy, supervision, and consultation
22:00 — Naming it as a form of informed consent and emotional regulation
23:39 — Administrative vs. clinical supervision: why they're not the same
27:10 — Barriers to therapists seeking their own therapy
34:06 — Structured vs. organic supervision: two different philosophies
42:01 — Why the intake process is the clinical work, not just a formality
43:23 — Individual vs. peer consultation: the role of trust and vulnerability
45:09 — How to find a therapist when you're a therapist yourself
49:32 — Dr. Bruce's upcoming virtual community for therapists and caregivers
52:05 — Where to find Lorain's work on perfectionism, burnout, and anxiety
Episode Highlights:
Supervision is treated as a finish line tied to licensure instead of an ongoing clinical need.
Several countries require monthly consultation to maintain licensure, while the US relies on CEU hours alone.
Specializing in a new modality puts a clinician back at square one, requiring the same level of supervision as early training.
Administrative supervision and clinical supervision serve different functions and should not be conflated.
Naming what is happening in the room functions as both informed consent and a regulation tool.
The biggest barriers to therapists seeking their own therapy are financial, the conditioning to be the expert, and the difficulty of finding someone outside their professional circle.
A strong intake is not a formality. It is where the clinical work and the supervisee's core skills are actually built.
Host: Lorain Moorehead, LCSW, PMH-C, EMDR Certified Consultant & Clinical Supervisor. Private practice supporting high-achieving adults and therapists with perfectionism, burnout, anxiety, and irritability.
This episode covers topics relevant to CE/CEU for LCSW, LMHC, LPC, LMFT, NCC. Free CEU available for Arizona licensure through the Board of Behavioral Health Examiners.
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Self Careapist Therapist Podcast is a biweekly, therapist-to-therapist conversation hosted by Lorain Moorehead, LCSW, PMH-C, EMDRIA Approved Consultant. Guests include psychologists, researchers, and the developers of the clinical models they teach, with practical takeaways for every level, from intern to clinical supervisor. Many episodes offer a free CEU for Arizona licensure through the Board of Behavioral Health Examiners.
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