In this episode of The Curious and Creative, I reflect on the inspiring journey of Cleo Abram, a former Vox journalist turned independent media creator. Cleo’s transition from traditional media to launching her own YouTube channel, Huge If True, offers a masterclass in redefining leadership—ambitious yet grounded, visionary yet actionable.

Join me as I explore why Cleo’s approach resonates so deeply: her ability to balance long-term goals with everyday decisions, inspire her team, and model the kind of leadership we should expect—one that’s authentic, inclusive, and unapologetically bold. This is a conversation for anyone who’s ever wondered what it means to lead with intention, whether in business, creativity, or life.

Tune in for a dose of curiosity, reflection, and a call to embrace the kind of leadership that moves us all forward.

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