The entire stock market of Africa's biggest economy is worth about $114 billion. One refinery just outside Lagos is asking investors to value it at $50 billion. On day one. That is one company reaching for almost half of a whole national exchange, and it just opened its doors to outside money through a private placement that raised billions.
So we brought in someone who actually builds the rails for this. Eke Urum walks through what the Dangote Refinery IPO really is, why he calls it "anchor infrastructure," and why he thinks it joins the short list of Nigerian companies you can almost never go wrong buying. He also names his own reservations, from the crude supply risk to the way the business has leaned on the Nigerian system.
Eke Urum is the founder and CEO of Risevest, the dollar investment platform that acquired Chaka and now runs Hisa, the app letting everyday people own Nigerian and US stocks in minutes. He has spent years tearing down the paperwork that kept regular people out of the market. Sign up for Hisa - https://invite.hisa.co/7fkf/AFROPOLITAN
In this episode we get into where a Nigerian in the diaspora should actually put money right now, why refineries make money from far more than fuel, the $80 to $100 billion number Eke puts on Dangote over the next decade, how private placements work and who really gets in first, the 600,000 trading accounts in a country of 200 million people, and a step by step plan to get ready for the September IPO.
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WHERE TO FIND EKE URUM
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Owning a piece of Dangote
1:23 Quick one: subscribe to the family
1:40 Where should I put my money in Nigeria?
2:19 Start with the stock market
3:35 Real estate in Lagos and the liquidity trap
4:23 The small businesses nobody is funding yet
5:33 Robinhood, Hisa and democratizing access
6:56 Own things that go up in value
7:45 Our parents did it the broker way
9:17 Why we made this episode
9:50 What the refinery really represents
10:46 Why refineries print money through byproducts
11:42 Getting the shares before the open market
12:16 A $50B valuation next to the whole NGX
12:37 Stop anchoring to the past
14:53 Why it could be worth $80 to $100B in 10 years
15:49 The 4 or 5 stocks you can't go wrong buying
16:40 50/50 diaspora signups since relaunch
17:54 Dividends in dollars and currency risk
19:15 Follow Chika and Eche on Snapchat
19:55 The Room on Patreon
20:47 Sponsor: Zobo Money
21:35 Sponsor: Hisa
22:39 A rocket, two chopsticks, and a fact
23:54 Story vs numbers in the internet era
25:45 His reservations about Dangote and the system
27:03 The $20B in remittances that just gets consumed
31:01 Money you consume is gone
31:55 What private placements actually are
33:47 Don't chase the IPO, own the business
35:50 India and Kenya as diaspora playbooks
38:35 A stock market built by colonial masters
41:45 The 7-Eleven that doesn't exist in Nigeria
43:40 Wounded by paperwork at the exchange
46:29 600K accounts in a country of 200 million
48:43 Betting everything on convenience
50:26 The real risks: crude supply and the debt
51:47 The crude supply risk nobody talks about
52:50 How to prepare for the September IPO
56:18 Can you become a millionaire off Nigerian stocks?
1:00:53 Proof homegrown capital can build Nigeria
1:02:57 $1M per megawatt: the power plant nobody built
1:04:10 Rapid fire
1:06:19 Give your money a worldview
1:08:16 Who should be in this chair next
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