In episode 206 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager speak with Julie Morris, Founder and Head of Thought Leadership at Persona Media, about why trust and influence have become survival skills for today's CISOs. Julie breaks down three types of organizational power, explains why the "good guys" resist the language of influence, and offers a practical starting point for anyone who's ever felt like PowerShell was the only power they understood.

Here are some highlights from our episode:

  • 02:13. From old to new: A shift in how trust and influence factor into organizational structures
  • 04:24. The three kinds of power in an organization: hard, soft, and network
  • 09:59. Wise advice: Build your personal and professional network first
  • 11:07. How influence multiplies confidence with network power
  • 12:03. Inertia, fear, and status quo: overcoming the emotional reactions that oppose change
  • 18:12. How Sean uses the power of "slow down," not "no," to support AI transformation
  • 20:49. Why good thought leadership starts with empathy and self awareness
  • 24:32. Building organizational processes that "trigger" a change in CISOs' trust and influence
  • 26:30. Hugging Face as an example of how triggering moments become lessons
  • 27:42. What Tony Soprano has to do with measuring trust and influence
  • 30:47. Reality check: Every information gap gets filled one way or another
  • 32:15. The power of community and shared ideas in figuring out thought leadership together
  • 36:09: Advice: Be in the "river" of your network to go where you want to go
  • 37:34. How understanding of shared values helps to overcome imposter's syndrome

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