I tore up my Wharton MBA on camera a couple of months ago, so I was curious what Joshua Lindsey would say about his. He was making 50 thousand dollars a week at 25, had already helped put close to 30,000 ATMs across the Western United States, and then went back and paid his own way through an Ivy League executive program at 28. He hung the paper on the wall and told me he still isn't sure it did anything for him beyond letting him tell his friends he'd done something too. We get into how he went zero to 12 million in his first year on his own, what it cost him when his partners went rogue, and why he thinks a first-time entrepreneur is better off buying a business than starting one. If you're weighing a degree against a few years of actually doing the work, start here.

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Timestamps

00:00 - Introduction: what a kick in the teeth teaches you

01:42 - Furniture stores and a feast-or-famine childhood

02:12 - Selling Scout-O-Rama tickets door to door

03:34 - The fitness sales mentor who taught him to ask questions

04:30 - Why he still loves sitting through a timeshare pitch

07:22 - The promise he made himself at 26 about predatory selling

09:43 - Value systems, ethical shortcuts and top-line pressure

12:16 - The reverse merger he says he only half earned

13:12 - 30,000 ATMs across the Western United States

14:06 - Tearing up a Wharton MBA on camera

14:48 - The Cornell executive program and the paper on the wall

17:41 - Begging his daughter not to go to college

18:16 - Fifty thousand to travel or two hundred thousand in Bitcoin

20:17 - Informational interviewing and the dietitian test

22:55 - The 17-year-old AI CEO and the cop who asked for a job

25:48 - Whether the alumni network is still worth anything

28:11 - Why 75 percent of his developer hires are self-taught

30:45 - Zero to 12 million in the first year

34:10 - Fifty thousand a week at 25 and the partners who went rogue

39:20 - Telling a real friendship from a positioning one

42:20 - The two founders who insisted on giving him equity

48:33 - Buying a business versus starting one from scratch

52:44 - True equity for every employee, four-year vesting, one-year cliff

55:17 - The businesses under 20 million with no budget at all

57:44 - The advice three billionaires gave instead of a business plan

1:02:20 - The blind spot successful men share

1:05:10 - Ten years without an unkind word

1:07:32 - Why he enjoys conflict in conversation

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