Apple has a new CEO. But should John Ternus try to change Apple — or protect what already works?
Chris Deaver, former Apple and Disney leader and co-founder of BraveCore, joins Aaron Wolpoff and Melissa Eaton to unpack one of the biggest questions facing Apple's next chapter: how do you evolve a company without losing the culture that made it great?
Chris brings an unusually close perspective to the conversation. He worked in leadership development at Apple and worked extensively with John Ternus over more than a decade as Ternus developed into the leader Apple ultimately chose to succeed Tim Cook.
The conversation explores why Steve Jobs and Tim Cook were so different, why that difference actually helped Apple, and why John Ternus doesn't need to become either one.
They discuss Apple's collaborative culture, the shift from "Think Different" to "Different Together," the company's approach to AI and privacy, the future of AR, the challenge of creating Apple's next major product category, and the pressure on a new CEO to deliver a "mic drop" moment.
Chris also explains why Apple's current transition is less about fixing a broken company and more about preemptively positioning a healthy company for its next phase.
In this episode:
Why Steve Jobs chose a fundamentally different successor in Tim Cook
What Apple actually needs from John Ternus
Why culture may be Apple's most important product
The shift from "Think Different" to "Different Together"
Why Apple promotes people based on principles, not just results
The danger of a CEO trying to control every function
Apple's "category one" philosophy
What Disney's succession problems can teach Apple
Why Apple's approach to AI is different
Privacy vs. AI's dependence on massive amounts of data
Why Apple doesn't need to be first
The future of AR glasses
What would make consumers actually want Apple's next wearable
Why Apple's next major product doesn't have to replace the iPhone
The pressure on John Ternus to deliver a major signal
Why Apple should preserve its culture while evolving its operating mechanics
Why Apple needs to sell the thesis, not just live it
What you will learn
Why Steve Jobs and Tim Cook were intentionally different leaders
Why Apple needs the right leader for the right phase, rather than another Steve Jobs
Why Apple's culture may actually be its most important "product"
How Apple shifted from **"Think Different" to "Different Together"
Why John Ternus's biggest challenge isn't hardware — it's becoming a truly enterprise-wide CEO
Why Apple promotes leaders who demonstrate its principles, not just performance
How Apple's "category one" philosophy allows leaders to own their expertise while trusting other leaders to own theirs
Why CEOs can damage companies by trying to have their hands in everything
What Apple's approach to AI reveals about its commitment to privacy
Why Apple may deliberately refuse to be first in AI
Why "we don't care about being the first, we care about being the best" is central to Apple's strategy
Why AR could become Apple's next meaningful product category
What Apple needs to prove before consumers will actually want AR glasses
Why Apple's biggest challenge may be explaining the use case, not building the technology
Why the pressure for a "mic drop" product announcement could become a problem for Ternus
What Apple can learn from its failed succession stories
Why Chris sees the current situation as preemptive positioning rather than fixing a broken company
Why Ternus needs to become a deeper collaborator rather than trying to impose a singular vision
Why Apple should "sell the thesis, don't just live it"
Why the best future for Apple may involve preserving its culture while changing the mechanics around it
Notable quotes
"The culture is the gift that keeps on giving." — Chris Deaver
"For Apple, incremental is revolutionary." — Chris Deaver
"Apple's always been a company that is first about getting the principles right." — Chris Deaver
"We don't care about being the first, we care about being the best." — Chris Deaver
"You don't want to be educating the consumer about this. You want them to experience it." — Chris Deaver
"There's not really a broken per se." — Chris Deaver
"It's almost a preemptive, like, let's not let it break." — Chris Deaver
"Do you really wanna rush Michelangelo's sculpture?" — Chris Deaver
About our guest
Chris Deaver is the co-founder of BraveCore, a leadership and culture consultancy focused on helping organizations build cultures around co-creation and collaboration. His LinkedIn describes his work as spanning two decades inside organizations including Apple and Disney
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Website - BraveCore
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