Relational Life Therapist Audrey Schoen and I compare Terry Real's Relational Life Therapy with Crucible Therapy.

In this conversation:

  • Personal responsibility in both approaches
  • Healthy separateness vs. unhealthy separateness
  • "I don't feel safe" and "I'm getting triggered"
  • Normal marital sadism, and loving and hating your partner in one conversation
  • RLT's idea of leverage: why bother?
  • Why "do I stay or go" isn't the most important question

With Audrey Schoen.

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