Most career advice tells you to follow your passion, but what if that’s actually the fastest route to burnout and an overcrowded field? Peter and Kasia sit down with Ben Todd, the visionary co-founder of 80,000 Hours, to completely dismantle everything you think you know about finding meaningful work. Ben delivers a sobering look at the rapidly shifting job market under the shadow of artificial intelligence. From the white-collar roles that will shrink first to the terrifying reality of AI losing human control, Ben shares the urgent, high-stakes interventions lNeeded to safeguard our future.


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