What if the most effective leadership move in a messy, fast-changing world is simply admitting, “I don’t know yet”? We sit down with executive coach and systems change practitioner Jeanine Becker to unpack emergence, complexity, and why certainty can quietly make leaders worse at the very problems they are trying to solve.
We talk about the difference between having purpose and pretending you can predict the future. Purpose can stay steady as a North Star, while strategy becomes more agile, iterative, and experimental. Janine shares how leaders can use a simple question, “What is true now?”, to update decisions based on reality rather than old assumptions. We also dig into how metrics are signals, not answers, and why teams stay aligned when the purpose feels lived instead of repeated like a tagline.
Then we get practical about the human side of change: why some people feel energized by uncertainty while others feel threatened, how to name what is known and frame what is open, and how to invite resistance with genuine curiosity. We draw a hard line between performative consultation and real co-creation, where leaders accept that what emerges may not match the answer they walked in with. Along the way we explore presence, listening, confirmation bias, and how leaders can create conditions for people to show up stronger over time.
If you want better leadership tools for complex times, subscribe, share this with one person who will use it, and leave a review so more thoughtful leaders can find the show.
🌐 Connect with Jeanine:
• Website: https://www.onpurposetogether.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beckerjeanine/
Send us Fan Mail
Support the show
✅ Follow The Leadership Project on your favourite podcast platform and listen to a new episode every week!
📝 Don’t forget to share your thoughts on the episode in the comments below.
🔔 Join us in our mission at The Leadership Project and learn more about our organisation here: https://linktr.ee/mickspiers
📕 You can purchase a copy of the Mick Spiers bestselling book "You're a Leader, Now What?" as an eBook or paperback at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZBKK8XV
If you would like a signed copy, please reach out to sei@mickspiers.com and we can arrange it for you too.
If you're thinking about starting a podcast or upgrading your hosting, Buzzsprout is a great option! This link will give both of us a $20 credit when you upgrade:
👉 https://www.buzzsprout.com/?referrer_id=1701891
Create forms easily with Jotform! Sign up with my link: https://www.jotform.com/?referral=AkWimLxOBz
Get extra Dropbox space—sign up with my link: Dropbox Referral Link
Wise Referral link: https://wise.com/invite/dic/michaels11434
Strea...