In today's episode, Ceci talks to Chloe Fisher from the DarlingShine podcast.

Chloe speaks very openly about her 7 rounds of IVF, multiple losses, journey to surrogacy and miracle pregnancy.

Ceci and Chloe also discuss ways to nurture yourself and your marriage when you're in the fertility trenches.

This episode discusses a miracle pregnancy which may be triggering for some people.

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Please note: this episode is for informational purposes only and does not replace personalised psychological advice.

This episode is proudly sponsored by Stanley ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@stanley.australia⁠⁠

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