Céline Crawford, Director of Operations at Fertifa, joins Louise to talk about why pay gaps stubbornly refuse to close, what transparent salaries actually do in practice, and what proper support around women's health looks like beyond just updating a handbook. Drawing on her own experience of pregnancy loss and her work with organisations of all sizes, Céline shares why psychological safety matters more than policy, how one employee voluntarily took a pay cut after salaries were made public, and why most businesses aren't even at the bare minimum yet.

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