Sometimes the most serious lesson shows up in the middle of a game night.

Recorded a few months into the shutdown, this one is pure play: one-word check-ins, guilty-pleasure music, would-you-rather (singer's edition), and a running joke about falling down a well. Along the way, Mariela Contreras and Veronica May get honest about the songs they're tired of, promoter pressure, and what it means to sing what you love. Still true today.

🎧 In this episode

  • Laughter is part of the work. Rest and play keep your love of singing alive.
  • Notice which songs you reach for when nobody's requesting anything.
  • Original shows can feel exposing. That's part of why they matter.
  • Showing up early still says a lot about you as a pro.


About Mariela Contreras & Veronica May

Mariela Contreras and Veronica May are singers, songwriters and teachers, and both have been guests on the show before. Mariela was writing songs for an EP; Veronica was teaching virtually and planning new recordings with San Diego friends.

Moments worth your time

  • 01:43 — One word for how you're feeling, and one thing to brag about
  • 03:34 — Putting on a real shirt for Zoom
  • 10:27 — Would you rather play naked, or with a set you don't know?
  • 19:54 — Ten minutes late or twenty minutes early?
  • 24:54 — The song you dread singing
  • 28:06 — “Why have I been singing the songs I don't want to sing?”
  • 36:06 — Asleep at the gig: accompanist or audience?


“why have I been singing the songs that I don't want to sing?” — Mariela Contreras

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