In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about getting to 'the thing behind the thing'. They discuss how easy it is to not go upstream and discover the root causes of the challenges we can face, both personally and societally.
They explore how we can get trapped in a cycle of reacting rather than finding lasting solutions and building the inclusion and belonging required and the bravery needed. And they dive deeper into the significance and place of spirituality at the heart of those lasting solutions, challenging the notion that spirituality is just a side hustle.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
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