Kelly Noonan Gores is the writer, director, and producer of the documentary Heal, author of the companion book by the same name, and host of the Heal with Kelly podcast. In this conversation, Kelly and Karena Dawn explore the placebo and nocebo effects, why 95% of our behavior is run by subconscious programming formed in early childhood, the role of forgiveness in physical and emotional healing, generational trauma, plant medicine, and the gratitude practices Kelly credits with changing the course of her life.
[04:44] The Placebo Effect Is Just the Beginning
The surprising percentage of people who feel better from a sugar pill alone
Why a doctor's words can be as powerful as any diagnosis, for better or worse
The subconscious programs written into your brain before you turned seven
What "the brain doesn't know the difference between real and imagined" actually means for how you heal
[19:25] Trauma, Forgiveness & the Stuff We Avoid
Kelly on believing she had a "normal" childhood, until she didn't
The difference between "big T" and "little t" trauma, and why it matters
Her honest answer to being called a "forgiveness factory"
What ancient wisdom says about you breaking a pattern of generational trauma
(37:39) Manifestation, Plant Medicine & What Actually Heals
Kelly’s gratitude journaling trick that led to an unexpected six-figure job
Why her first plant medicine journey went sideways, and what changed the second time
Karena's own experiment with the "I remember when" practice
The real difference between isolation and connection, and why it matters more than we think
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