What if the way you understand people is incomplete?
In this episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I am joined by Kathleen Saxton, Psychotherapist, Executive Coach, and Best-Selling Author, to explore the psychology behind behaviour, leadership, and one of the most misunderstood traits, narcissism.
This conversation goes beyond labels.
From how narcissism actually shows up in men and women, to identity, emotional patterns, and leadership blind spots, this episode challenges how we interpret people, power, and performance.
Because often, what we think is happening is not the full picture.
If you want to better understand human behaviour, navigate complex personalities, and become more self-aware as a leader, this episode will shift your perspective.
What We Cover:
00:00 – Trailer 02:00 – The Courage to Walk Away from Toxic Situations 04:10 – Why People Stay in Toxic Jobs & Relationships 07:30 – Trauma, Therapy & Personal Backstory 10:15 – Narcissistic Relationships & Validation Trap 12:00 – What Narcissism Really Looks Like 14:10 – Narcissism: Traits vs Personality Disorder 18:00 – How Narcissists Manipulate & Control You 21:10 – The Dark Triad Explained 22:30 – Why Narcissists Become Leaders 26:15 – Why Companies Protect Toxic High Performers 31:40 – How to Handle a Narcissistic Boss 43:20 – Covert vs Grandiose Narcissists 47:10 – Can Narcissists Change? 50:10 – Are Narcissists Good Leaders? 58:00 – Character vs Performance in Leadership 01:05:00 – Final Advice: Protect Yourself & Your Integrity
This is not just about understanding others. It is about understanding how you lead and show up.
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