Recorded live from Antarctica, psychedelic attorney Joshua Kappel joins host Alli Schaper to explore the rapidly unfolding frontier of psychedelic policy in the United States. With nearly two decades in drug policy reform, Josh shares his journey from helping draft Denver’s first psilocybin decriminalization initiative to co-authoring Colorado’s Natural Medicine Health Act, helping create a more regulated path for psychedelic healing while easing restrictions around personal use.
Together, they explore the space where underground culture meets formal regulation, and what it takes to translate lived experience into policy that actually works.
Alli and Josh get into:
Three Pathways of Reform: From federal pharmaceutical routes to state-regulated models and local decriminalization, a look at how change is unfolding across systems.
The Rise of Microdosing: As low-dose use becomes more common, policy is still catching up to how people are actually engaging with these medicines.
A New Model in New York: Early insights into a proposed permit system that could allow safe, at-home access to tested, low-dose psychedelics through education.
Story as Catalyst: How real stories from veterans, first responders, and families are shaping the momentum behind reform.
From Citizen Science to Clinical Trials: Why real-world data is playing such a big role in informing research and what comes next.
As this next wave of reform takes shape, the conversation comes back to how we balance access, safety, and integrity while honoring the communities that have carried this work forward.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:36 Introduction
1:10 Welcoming Psychedelic Attorney Josh Kappel
1:46 Josh’s Path Into Psychedelic Law and Advocacy
3:50 The Current State of Psychedelic Policy in the U.S.
11:04 Building the Microdosing Collective and Policy That Reflects Real-World Use
19:12 Storytelling as a Catalyst for Policy Change
23:31 How Culture Shapes the Future of Mental Health Policy
28:22 Honoring the Cultural Origins of These Medicines
31:18 Josh’s Most Important Lesson From Psychedelics
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