Jess sits down with Efrat Livny — artist, healer, serial entrepreneur, traveler, teacher, and elder with a PhD in the School of Life. Efrat shares her remarkable journey from Israel to Madison, Wisconsin, why she walked away from academia and her marriage at 40, how a cancer diagnosis at 49 completely reoriented her relationship to life and work, and the surprisingly powerful "donkey-donkey" principle that changed how she thinks about collaboration, burnout, and being of service without losing yourself.
Topics we cover:
How immigration, loss, and a life-threatening heart defect shaped Efrat's relationship to belonging and purpose
What made her leave academia, her marriage, and everything familiar — with no plan and no safety net
The story behind Threshold, her ahead-of-its-time community healing space, and what COVID taught her about letting go
How a cancer diagnosis at 49 reoriented everything — and why she chose to go for life instead of fighting for it
The donkey-donkey principle and how to find the lean that holds you both in relationships and collaboration
Why presence and attention are the most radical acts of self-care
What it means to be an elder entrepreneur — and how women can pool their wisdom for collective impact
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