In this episode, I'm sitting down with Emma (with three M's, so really: Emmma), someone I've gotten to know through quite a few different roles. She's been an assistant in the Liberation Journey, a private client, a friend, and increasingly a colleague in the world of intimacy and sexuality.
Which already gives us plenty to talk about.
We start with Emma's changing relationship to attachment, sexuality and being alone. She shares about having spent years being very open to connection, and sometimes using sexuality almost as a shortcut towards closeness. And what has changed as she's learned to slow down, listen to her body and distinguish between wanting sex, wanting tenderness, wanting reassurance, and simply wanting to stay with herself.
From there, the conversation goes wherever it wants to go.
We talk about anger and sexual energy, and the strange aliveness that can live inside both. About learning to stay with intense energy rather than immediately directing it towards someone else. About inner-child work that turns out to be surprisingly tangible. And about learning to give ourselves some of what we've been reaching towards other people for.
And then we get into the complexity of relationships that don't fit neatly into one box.
Friend. Lover. Client. Facilitator. Assistant. Colleague.
Emma and I have moved through several of those contexts ourselves. We talk about what can be beautiful about allowing relationships to change shape, and the clarity, care and awareness of power that this kind of fluidity also asks for.
I share some of my own experiences of having been on the painful side of blurred roles, and why that has made me both someone who deeply values relational freedom and someone who takes the structures around it seriously.
A pretty unpolished conversation about what happens when we keep listening to what's actually alive; in our bodies, in ourselves, and between each other.
Enjoy. ♡
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Connect with Emmma and her work (Dutch)
🌿 Ritual Dance: https://www.ritualdance.be/
🌿 Catering: Emmadesmedt@hotmail.com
🌿 Fluisterfestival: https://www.fluisterfestival.be/
More about Intimate Breath
🌿 Website: www.intimate-breath.com
🌿 Instagram & Facebook: @intimatebreath
🌿 The next Liberation Journey starts in January 2027 in Belgium.
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