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Show Notes:
1:35 Patrick McGranaghan’s background
2:45 McGranaghan’s work with Pierre Valentin
3:05 focus on collision of culture and infrastructure
4:45 “evidential fog” around AI in the arts
6:00 abstract nature of these AI issues
7:00 his writing on these issues to navigate these issues
8:30 EU’s AI framework “recognizes the structural nature of the problem” – can’t be minor updates to old copyright debates, “AI creates problems of scale, opacity and jurisdictional arbitrage that traditional legal categories do not solve very elegantly.”
10:00 incentive for jurisdiction shopping
11:40 Getty v. Stability AI in the UK
14:05 EU AI Act’s extraterritorial obligations
15:00 EU AI Act, Article 53: general purpose models brought into EU must comply with EU copyright law, including opt out reservations; and detailed summary of training data
17:55 UK’s approach is more exposed to loopholes
19:25 opt in versus opt out systems
21:35 Kadrey v. Meta
22:55 the burden placed on creators by the opt out system
25:45 sporadic licensing deals and unclear remuneration standard
27:30 interoperability
28:40 impact of robots.txt
31:15 Alan Robertshaw re: impact of AI on the practice of law
34:50 AI defamation cases
36:20 McGranaghan - need for lawyers regardless of AI
37:25 Robertshaw - legal professions’ varied approaches to AI
38:55 AI and astronomy
40:30 moral conflict with not compensating artists
43:00 justices/injustices related to AI
46:45 market harm created by AI
49:25 definition of justice
53:05 protections that artists can use, e.g., robots.txt, metadata, units based protection, Glaze and Nightshade
58:00 mark Patrick hopes to make around AI and art
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