Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Gary Grant to explore the difference between contractual religion and covenantal love—and why transformation begins when we stop trying to earn a belonging that has always been ours. Gary shares his journey from childhood intimacy with God through decades of religious performance and back into the freedom of knowing a Father who never rejects, abandons, or turns away. Together, they discuss union, trust, authentic identity, safe community, escaping religious control, and what happens when faith becomes less about holding everything together and more about learning to live held. For more info on Gary or the Rethinking Salvation: A Taco Family Gathering
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