What if the thing separating high performers from everyone else has nothing to do with skill?
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill revisits his conversation with Rich Diviney, retired Navy SEAL Commander and bestselling author of The Attributes: 25 Hidden Drivers of Optimal Performance. Rich reveals why the innate qualities that define how we show up under stress, challenge, and uncertainty are far more predictive of success than any resume credential or technical ability, and what that means for leaders building teams in high-stakes environments.
Here's what you'll learn:
Why the attributes that drive performance under uncertainty can't be taught the same way skills can, and how to develop them anyway
How to identify what separates someone who thrives under pressure from someone who folds, long before the pressure arrives
What the five categories of attributes (grit, drive, mental acuity, leadership, and team ability) reveal about your own performance profile and the teams you build
If you've ever wondered what it actually takes to build a team that performs when things don't go as planned, this conversation is your blueprint.
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:17) Rich's Navy SEAL Journey
(00:06:26) Attributes vs. Skills
(00:10:02) The Five Categories of Attributes
(00:13:02) Commonalities Among Top Performers
(00:14:37) How to Develop Attributes
(00:16:10) Creating Environments That Bring Out the Best
(00:19:54) The Neuroscience of Courage
(00:26:59) Peak Performance vs. Optimal Performance
(00:29:17) Understanding Narcissism as an Attribute
(00:32:33) Insouciance and Marching to Your Own Beat
(00:36:48) How to Use Your Assessment Results
(00:38:52) Real-World Success Stories
(00:40:12) What Being a Game Changer Means
Links & Resources:
The Attributes: 25 Hidden Drivers of Optimal Performance by Rich Diviney
The Attributes
Huberman Lab Podcast
Navy SEAL Training
Purdue University
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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.
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