358. Pastor and Business Leader: What We Wish We Knew

Pastors and business leaders need each other—but too often, they don’t understand each other’s worlds.

In this episode, Andy Mason sits down with Randy Griffin, a former pastor, business owner, and current C12 Chair, to explore how we can bridge the gap between church and marketplace.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

You’ll discover:

• What business leaders wish their pastors understood
• Why business leaders are already doing ministry at work
• What pastors wish business leaders understood about them
• Why business leaders are more than donors or volunteers
• Practical ways pastors can better equip marketplace leaders
• How humility and mutual honor can strengthen both sides

Pastors don’t need to become business experts, and business leaders don’t need to become pastors. But each carries something the other needs.

It’s time to break down the sacred/secular divide, build the bridge, and equip believers to demonstrate the Kingdom of God everywhere—including Monday morning at work.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 — Why pastors and business leaders need each other
01:14 — Randy Griffin's journey from business to ministry and back
04:49 — What is C12?
05:00 — Helping CEOs recognize God as CEO
06:05 — Employees aren't just resources—they're people to care for
07:15 — Equipping pastors to unlock their business community
08:38 — What business leaders wish their pastors understood
10:00 — Are churches measuring the wrong things?
11:04 — Is a business leader's greatest value simply giving money?
13:32 — One simple thing pastors can do tomorrow
14:03 — Get out of the church and visit the workplace
15:53 — Practical questions pastors can ask business leaders
17:52 — What pastors wish business leaders understood
18:49 — The unseen heart and sacrifice of a pastor
20:49 — The key business leaders need: humility
22:11 — How a business leader can approach their pastor
23:33 — Why pastors don't need to have every answer
25:06 — Building the bridge between business leaders and pastors
26:31 — Why the sacred/secular divide needs to go
28:37 — An invitation for pastors and business leaders
29:40 — Closing