What does it look like when followers of Jesus who love the same Lord arrive at the table holding vastly different political convictions? Pastor Derwin, alongside Dr. Frank Turek and Dr. Charlie Dates, opens a courageous and deeply needed conversation about faith, ethnicity, and political engagement—reminding us that the church is not a building but a blood-bought people of King Jesus, loved by the Father and empowered by the Spirit. Drawing from John 13, Dr. Dates grounds the entire dialogue in a love "based upon the virtue of the giver, not the worthiness of the recipient"—a love the Black church has embodied even toward a nation that did not love them in return. Dr. Turek challenges believers to engage government as seriously as they engage family and church, because politics directly shapes our ability to preach the gospel. Together, all three voices refuse easy answers, holding both prophetic critique and humble empathy, urging Christians to see one another's pain before dismissing one another's conclusions. This conversation is a call to you—don't retreat into comfortable tribalism. Lean in, listen deeply, and let the love of Christ be the politics that transforms your neighborhood, your city, and your world.

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