What if the very pain that has broken you could become the pathway to your greatest healing? In this powerful conversation, Pastor Derwin and Vicki unpack the heart behind Pastor Derwin's new book, *It's Time to Heal: Four God-Given Steps to Restore What Life Has Shattered*—a message born not from theory, but from their own raw, courageous journey through trauma and transformation. Drawing from John 5:6, where Jesus asks a man paralyzed for decades, "Do you want to be made well?" Pastor Derwin reveals that healing begins with a vulnerable yes—because Jesus doesn't heal a future version of us, He heals the real us. With wisdom rooted in both Scripture and neuroscience, Pastor Derwin reframes suffering through the lens of post-traumatic growth, reminding us that the villain and the hero share the same origin story: pain. The difference is what you do with it. Vicki's voice adds tender authenticity, affirming that healing isn't linear, but God wastes nothing. Don't stay stuck in familiar pain—pre-order multiple copies of *It's Time to Heal* today and begin passing down healing instead of hurt to the next generation, for the glory of King Jesus.

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