Sometimes you need a leader: A conversation with Creative Conscience's Chrissy Levett.

Chrissy is extraordinary. A firebrand and a passionate campaigner for the power of creativity in solving the world's environmental problems.

To me creativity is simply imagining a world that hasn't arrived yet, and you wouldn't imagine a worse one would you? Chrissy is on a mission to bring the World's creative industries together to and use their collective imaginations for good.

We dig into that and also into why Chrissy started on this journey.

A lovely listen. Recorded in the summer behind Kings Cross station with kids playing in the water features.

A tough audio edit by the remarkable Mark Cotton.